Chapter 15: Q&A / Discussions

[Darren]

*sigh*

[Jeff]

This needs to be addressed before we move on:

Mar 30, 2018 10:23:48 GMT -4 Jeff said:

We'll be reaching the shore in just a couple hours, just before dark. From the beach, the village and inn are only a short walk—twenty or thirty minutes on foot. Think of who will go, and whether you wish to wait until morning. Our time line is yours to consider."

[Elvis]

Thul dresses like a brigand. He's old and unarmed. The chances of anyone bothering him are slim.

The axe looks fancy and would attract attention. 

Besides, if I need it, I know where it is.

[Jeff]

For sure, especially next to Adamant the walking tank, and the look-out-that-red-devil-man-has-a-sword!

[Brian]

Red-devil-man? Puleez!!

[Brian]

Elvis, I think there are lit torches and a campfire going near the party, so Adamant's light didn't dispel much darkness anyway.

[Elvis]

We are just at the edge of the treeline. Torches are only bright up to 20' + 20' dim. Adamant hit us with a spotlight that is bright 50' + 50' dim.

I am assuming that the sudden light caught the incoming folks' attention and cast us as stark silhouettes between the think palm trees.

Hopefully it also illuminated something for us.  

*Other (Jeff) factors not taken in consideration*

[Jeff]

It'll be clearer when I update the map tonight. But yeah, a 50/50 bright/dim light (which thus reaches 100 ft.) is definitely a hell of a beacon, but it's not like it's blooming out of utter darkness, either. It's twilight, not true night, and there are smaller sources of light nearby. Mel and Thul will be silhouettes at first, for sure, though.

[Dave W.]

Adamant does these things for Thul's benefit... Addy's concerned that the Captain doesn't breathe enough so every time he can make the human sigh it's good, right?

[Elvis]

At least, Thul assumes you have gold 😄

[Darren]

Apr 5, 2018 19:43:55 GMT -4 Brian said:

["I am but a simple warrior," Melethos says, and spreads his arms wide, palms up. "I have no gold. That man over there"--he indicates Kal--"he holds the pursestrings. Whether we hire you or not will involve him. But...I can put in a good word, if I feel so inclined." He pauses to let his words sink in. "As to my tiefling brethren, are they still in Last Chance?"

[Jeff]

Apr 6, 2018 12:33:33 GMT -4 Ken said:

Jeff: If Belarin were to cast dispel magic, would he still need a better look at the contents first?

Well, to choose an object (per the spell description), you'd definitely need to see it. So unless you can, you'd have to cast it on either the crate itself or the cloth. The only other things you can target would be a creature or a perceivable magic effect (like a glowing field of energy, a Wall of Fire, etc.).

[Jeff]

Apr 7, 2018 11:39:17 GMT -4 Brian said:

Melethos overhears the conversation between the failed professor and Kurra and tries not to roll his eyes....

A minor point, but Larest is talking to Belarin and those around him. Kurra is merely overhearing. She’s not who he is intentionally speaking to.

[Darren]

Jeff, I'm going to wait until other people have gone before posting anything, but when I do....

Is Kal hidden? How does being hidden affect any attack he makes?

[Dave W.]

quick question (yes, it's not Addy's turn yet... )

If Adamant casts Sanctuary on the unconscious woman, would that also prevent the creature from taking the body... I guess does a "grapple" count as an "attack" for the purpose of Sanctuary.

The text of the spell is:
You ward a creature within range against attack. Until the spell ends, any creature who targets the warded creature with an attack or a harmful spell must first make a Wisdom saving throw. On a failed save, the creature must choose a new target or lose the attack or spell. This spell doesn't protect the warded creature from area effects, such as the explosion of a fireball.
If the warded creature makes an attack or casts a spell that affects an enemy creature, this spell ends.

[Jeff]

Darren: Sure, fair question.

If Kal were closer to the action, then I'd already say that he's not hiding because he's just cast Message (which has a verbal component, and that means he's not being quiet). But are are louder sounds by the creature so I won't bother with that.

So you can make a Dexterity (Stealth) check now to represent Kal's initial hiding attempt. With advantage. The moment you move from that spot or cast a spell or do any kind of attack, you're automatically revealed and not hidden anymore but that initial action has the benefit of your hiding. So if it's a spell with an attack roll, you have advantage on that IF the target doesn't know you're there. Then the game is up until you Hide again (which in battle takes an action).

Remember, if you go to the Quickstats tab on the DE Stats sheet file, all the basic actions of combat are covered. Hide is on there.

If Kal does an area of effect spell or any spell that puts the saving throw on the creature, his being hidden doesn't matter at all.

Dave: Great question! I keep waffling back and forth on this one. I'm going to inquire in a D&D FB group about this. I really can see it both ways. While I can see why the grapple would be considered an attack, I can't see Sanctuary making someone stop what's already started. If a giant had picked up an ally of yours and held them (grappling indeed) out over a cliff and you cast Sanctuary on your ally, would the giant then have to drop your ally to their death? I would say no in that case. But let me get back to you.

[Darren]

Cool. I'll add the Stealth check to my last post.


EDIT: Yeah, those rolls were a 7 and a 6 because....of course. I don't know why I bother sometimes.....

[Jeff]

You should be happy you're using those rolls now, Darren. He's in a fairly low-key location. Could definitely be worse times for it.

[Darren]

Oh, there will be. You know the dice roller and me have some history.....

[Jeff]

I guess you'll never forget that day over Macho Grande (with the dice roller).

[Darren]

Buddy went to pieces....

[Elvis]

Do the rest of us hear other clicks coming from the jungle?

[Dave W.]

I'll never be over Macho Grande...

[Jeff]

So initiating a grapple would be an attack and therefore Sanctuary could potentially prevent it. But it doesn’t stop a grapple already started. Maintaining a grapple isn’t an action at all. Nor is dragging a creature you’ve already got grappled. That’s just part of your movement.

[Dave B.]

Just a reminder that Sharp Shooter allows Shorak to ignore half and three quarters cover when making a ranged attack.

[Jeff]

Thanks, Dave! That definitely helped. Easy to forget that one, since it applies to everyone else.

I need to point out that the creature's current position on the grid is now much too dense for the boomerang retrieval. Even if he picked it up and threw again right now, he could still attempt to hit it but he wouldn't get the boomerang back. Too many trunks, too many low-hanging leaves and vines.

[Darren]

It doesn't apply to Kal when making a ranged spell attack.

[Jeff]

Quite right. You both invented feats into this. Always good to remind me when you feel it applies.

[Dave W.]

Apr 11, 2018 23:35:01 GMT -4 Jeff said:

So initiating a grapple would be an attack and therefore Sanctuary could potentially prevent it. But it doesn’t stop a grapple already started. Maintaining a grapple isn’t an action at all. Nor is dragging a creature you’ve already got grappled. That’s just part of your movement.

Yeah, that seems fair... Thanks Jeff

[Dave W.]

Apr 12, 2018 10:31:10 GMT -4 Jeff said:

2 squares diagonal is technically 15 ft. away under the rules we're using, I'm afraid. Not quite close enough for Aura of Protection. Which makes me think, when I have time I'll come up with a visual template guide we can use a reference for things like this.

That's my bad. I don't know why I keep forgetting that. Its not even the first time I've played a game with square grids that had that rule...

And yeah, Darren's not the only one to get screwed by the die roller... it's just fun to pretend...